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2020.03.03 06:45

我应该说一声,我是支持中国的人。我跟自己的眼睛看的中国特别美。国家发展特别快,接触的人友好,收到的对待很善良。
所以我

得谢写这条短文。
我们在英文里面说脑子最小的人是声音最大的人。我在HelloTalk和微博上看到的五毛写过分和怼外国人不是我认识的中国,但我看到很多网民总是维护他们。下面的图片是挺好的例子,只需要多多看对外国人的永久签证的反应,真是有充满的种族歧视以及狭隘民族主义到愤怒外国人。否认这个现象存在的话会给中国人丢面。
在我而言,中国人需要了解非中国人可以评论中国的时事并且需要了解中国变成世界的核心国家,别国家的人会看会批判,不是每一个国家都认同中国做的东西。面对这些事情的话请了解一下:
1)非中国人也可以谈论中国的事,中国人也可以谈论国外的事
2)批评一个中国人(比方说孙杨)不是2很中国或者反华的行为,就是看人,不是看国家
3)辩论是西方文化的因素,形形色色不同的概念存在
4)说“西方媒体”这个词就是自相矛盾。大多数的西方媒体是私企录用各种各样的记者
5)你会不会喜欢人说“中国垃圾”这个词?那么不要说认识样垃圾吧。
6)要冷静一点回答不同意中国方向的人,他们不见得是黑中国。要冷静一点说,“我知道我的国家有问题,每一个国家都有,但是。。”
7)不要说我最喜欢的一句话“中国文化博大精深,有五千年的历史”让人闭嘴。他们在谈论跟中国文化和历史不同的东西。
8)国外是很大的地方,不是一个国家(我懒得多听人说“你们外国人”)
9)作为一个西方人,我真的看不起那些五毛因为他们都不说道理。

外国人需要多了解中国,但你们就是代表中国的人。你要留下好还是不好的印象?
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  • Meave 2020.03.03 06:49

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    I don't like that picture though I have no clear side about this event. That has become a personal attack now.
  • Lucian 2020.03.03 06:49

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    最近几天是我十几年来第一次认识到中国有那么多极端racist
  • El costuras 2020.03.03 06:51

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    I understand everything you say and respect your opinion. But what I want to say is that China's conditions are not optimistic. You are Irish and white, which means you can get recognition, work, and residency in Australia, the United States, Canada, and New Zealand. But the Chinese cannot, because we must endure some discrimination and suppression abroad. This is the tragedy that happened in Indonesia in 1998. Therefore, China's domestic resources are very limited, which means that we will be very nervous. If we were white, we would not be nervous.
  • Selena 2020.03.03 06:52

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    @Lucian 你去B站和微博看更加多racists.因为大多数用户都是学生,比较容易被一些图谋不轨的人带节奏。
  • Abel 2020.03.03 06:52

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    我只对你的ID感兴趣💘
  • tracy 2020.03.03 06:54

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    同意,不明白个人怎么就能轻易上升到国家。有没有可能人家只是不尊重那个人,而不是不尊重中国。 不明白有的人为什么那么爱说滚出中国,别人在中国都是合理合法的,有什么权力叫人家滚,偷渡的另谈了。(我一个在中国出生长大拿中国国籍的人,只因为父亲是韩国人,也有被人说滚出中国的经历,只想对他们说WHO ARE YOU??!!😂)
  • Lucian 2020.03.03 06:54

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    @Selena 在空间看足够了...去b站和wb怕把自己气死
  • Gavin 2020.03.03 06:54

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    our chinese people should keep rational comprehensive
  • El costuras 2020.03.03 06:56

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    And, let's say though. But we have never hurt a foreigner, and we Chinese have been discriminated against abroad. I read the news myself, the Chinese are the most vulnerable to robberies because they are honest. I read BBC myself. Chinese people in the United States are often attacked by black people to rob stores. A 70-year-old Chinese man was killed by a black man for no reason. We are in the same situation as the Jews, but at least the Jews have help, and we are alone. How can you ask such a nation, at least verbally, not to make a sound of dissatisfaction?
  • Jessica 2020.03.03 06:58

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    关于条例问题。我在看到中国经济学人描述得这么一段话,觉得很客观现实了。 请弄清楚这些网友,反对的是什么? “反对的是,外国人来中国拥有的一些特权。 反对的是,一些低素质的外国人,来中国搅乱中国的治安环境。 反对的是,那些一边来中国淘金,一边鄙视中国人,看不起中国人且自以为高人一等的外国人。 我们欢迎友好的外国人来中国,和我们一起把中国建设得更好。 如果能保证拿中国绿卡的外国人,真的都是高素质、友好、热爱中国的人的话,我相信反对意见还是会有,但绝对不会像现在这么大。”
  • Shu 2020.03.03 06:58

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    洋垃圾很多,中国垃圾也很多。但是两者的待遇水平却完全不一样。
  • ItsChloeX 2020.03.03 06:59

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    同意,我完全不懂这些人哪来的如此强烈的民族自豪感,竟然可以明目张胆在互联网发表种族歧视的言论……我住广州四年,最烦听网友说广州治安不好,上升到种族层面的更是无药可救
  • 长白 2020.03.03 07:04

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    Everyone has the right to speak, to evaluate events objectively, to respect different ideas, and not to follow in the footsteps of others without understanding the real situation. He is a thoughtful person.
  • El costuras 2020.03.03 07:04

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    Therefore, I hope you can understand the emotions of the Chinese people. However, we did not oppose foreigners in our actions, and there was no news that foreigners were beaten and abused. But Chinese people in the United States are often targeted by blacks.
  • Alex 2020.03.03 07:05

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    Again,又一次在评论区看到了性别割裂, hehe. 这个法令我们最担心的其实是已经脱离祖国的中国人(资本家的孩子)回来继续享受超国民待遇,这其实是阶级问题。目前的diss黑人的行为(种族矛盾)其实是又一次愚蠢网民被煽动了的行为,掩盖了坏人的真正目的,同时又为自己招了一波黑🤷‍♀️。但是很少有人能深层次的想,所有人都是绝对愚蠢的。网络,粪坑罢了。至于某些女性说我就要和外国人xxoo,你们男人管不着,这种人到哪里都是母狗罢了。来喷子们可以喷我了😂老攻你懂我意思了吗?
  • Irene 2020.03.03 07:06

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    有些反对可能就是单纯的反对,不是所有的反对都要上升到种族歧视问题,因为在一些反对者为数不多的和外来者有交集的时刻,外来者都没有给反对者留下什么好印象,所以换个角度想,哪里都有奇葩,跟国籍无关。🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️
  • El costuras 2020.03.03 07:07

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    @tracy But you know, China has not discriminated against Koreans. South Korea's trade mainly relies on China. Chinese universities have also been open to them. We have already achieved this point, what else do you ask for? You can see how Koreans are treated in Japan
  • Adria 2020.03.03 07:08

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    我们如此反对这个条例不是我们对外国人有偏见,是因为这个条例里有很多不合理不明确的地方,但是一个国家里的人不会全是好人的不是吗,抱歉一些中国人的言论伤害了你
  • Alice Bi 2020.03.03 07:09

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    美国当年吸纳了全世界各地的人才,成就了世界第一强国。
  • El costuras 2020.03.03 07:09

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    @tracy You can't allow a nation under tremendous pressure to accept foreign populations and not allow them to express a little dissatisfaction.
  • Alex 2020.03.03 07:11

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    @Jessica 👏👏👏😌看见你我就放心了
  • tracy 2020.03.03 07:12

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    @El costuras 不要艾特我,不想争论,韩国贸易依赖中国?贸易经济本就是互惠互利不要说的跟施舍了一样,就算是那也是国家之间的事情。i am Chinese myself, what do you mean what else do I ask for?
  • tracy 2020.03.03 07:13

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    @El costuras 外国人永久居住条例我没发表任何意见,看清楚了再说!
  • El costuras 2020.03.03 07:13

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    @ItsChloeX That's because you read too little, I can read Spanish and English. For the past five years, I have read cnn mundo every day, and I know that the tragedies that have happened in Europe in recent years are huge. Not only the Chinese, but also the Europeans. Is there no reason for Britain to leave the EU? You think you are very kind, but you know very little about it.
  • j. 2020.03.03 07:13

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    其实照片上那个人(我不记得他的名字)讲的有一些话是让人特别生气的。别的东西我也不太了解,所以我不能片面地再去说什么。
  • Shu 2020.03.03 07:13

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    @El costuras 我还没有看完呢,就删除了
  • 老攻 2020.03.03 07:18

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    @El costuras I agree with some parts, but strongly disagree with your assertion that the Chinese are like the Jews in the 1930’s.   In the case of Europe, we call that behavior out and don’t deny that there are significant problems with racism. It’s a problem that we’ve got and it’s something that we need to address as a continent.   In the case of China, its proportion of foreigners relative to its full population is less than that of North Korea. China does not have a problem with immigration.
  • El costuras 2020.03.03 07:19

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    @tracy I just want to tell you that the Chinese have the right to express dissatisfaction. The Chinese have never attacked foreigners. Therefore, their rights of expression cannot be taken away. In Wangjing, there are 50,000 Koreans. There are many Korean students at Tsinghua University. We have never discriminated against Koreans. So if your father is in Japan, do you think you will become a Japanese smoothly? You can check Japan's anti-Korean history.
  • tracy 2020.03.03 07:22

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    @El costuras 你搞清楚,我有说我同意那个条例么???我明明说的是a你跟我说b,可真是逻辑鬼才。我有说中国人歧视韩国人了么?
  • El costuras 2020.03.03 07:24

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    @老攻 This is because you don't know China yet. As I said, this is not only an immigration issue, but also a social issue for the Chinese. For example, I am an Englishman, I cannot afford a house in the UK, and I can smoothly reach Australia without any problems. But what about the Chinese? And the surrounding countries, Mongolia, Vietnam, Laos, and Myanmar, all depend on China to survive. This heavy burden rests on the Chinese.
  • Sid 2020.03.03 07:26

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    @El costuras that’s not true, it means your skills aren’t good enough to get the particular job lol
  • El costuras 2020.03.03 07:27

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    @老攻 Moreover, China's wrong policy has given foreign students a lot of concessions. Many African students attracted do not study hard, but harass women. They have the right to express their dissatisfaction, but at least we haven't attacked them like the foreign right, and not once.
  • Deleted 2020.03.03 07:29

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    @El costuras 我认为中国人本质是善良和勤奋的 但是近几年来国内乱成了一锅粥 思考能力随着情绪的波动变得偏激 所以想解决问题要从理性思考开始 在国外被偷抢的原因之一是中国人喜欢用现金 不低调 法国还在当地报导称中国人频繁被偷 这样做只会暗示小偷把中国人做目标😂关于歧视 一般都是来自于底层人 中国人在国外做到遵纪守法 那外国人在中国也一样 不要有双重标准 关于永久居留权当然有发声的权利 但上升到赤裸裸的种族歧视在国际上会造成负面影响
  • El costuras 2020.03.03 07:30

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    @Sid This is what you as an Indian do n’t know. The status of the Chinese is also lower than that of the Indians in the United States. I heard my classmates say that he was discriminated against by Indian professors because of poor English in studying in New Zealand. In Silicon Valley, Chinese programmers have been oppressed by their superiors in India. This is the tragic experience of the Chinese. This is not to blame you, so I only hope that the Chinese people work harder.
  • Sid 2020.03.03 07:30

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    @El costuras many lol aren’t you being discriminatory lol . I have also seen / met several Chinese people who are rude or discriminatory towards foreigners. Every country has got good and bad people. Generalising black people into one category clearly means you don’t know much.
  • Xu 2020.03.03 07:30

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    个体行为,但有一定数量,如果你想知道发生这些事的原因,请看完。矛盾有以下几点:1,非洲人在我国名声确实不好。因为广东许多非法移居的黑人,品行都不是太好,之前也闹出很多不好的新闻,滥交,传播艾滋病等等,当然也有一部分easygirl的原因,所以我们确实对非洲人这一群体有些排斥和刻板印象。 2,在中国外国人普遍有超国民待遇(待遇超过一般的国民)。原因主要在于过去以及先现在的一部分官员仍然怕外国人的事件演变为外交事件,影响自己的政绩。这也长期导致我国国民对外国人的略有不满。 3,中国民众一直有一些民粹主义,主要由于过去的中国受到的侵略。而微博就有一批这样的民粹主义者,因为微博的门槛太低,几乎每个人都能在上面发言。当然不止你们外国人,任何人在微博上都会被攻击,毕竟世界很大,什么人都有,特别是社会最底层的人,他们根本不会讲道理。我已经卸载微博3年了,用了只能受气,没意思。😂 4,说回到这次的《外国人永久居留管理条例》,其实不止民粹主义者反对,哪怕我们有点知识的普通民众也反对。但我们反对的的是这版条例的漏洞太多,以及门槛太低,无法保证引进的是高端人才。我们不希望引进的是一些素质低下的人。因为几乎所有在中国的外国人都享受一定的超国民待遇 如果你想知道这版条例有多不靠谱,你可以私信我,我有相关资料和我的一些理解。 另:图中终究是个别行为,类比欧洲对难民的态度就很好理解了。 另:个人理解,可能还有没写到的地方,但一时想不起来了。 另:看你能写这么多话想来中文不错。如果有地方看不懂建议私信,或者回复我,我很乐意解答,机器翻译真的不靠普,很可能翻译出来相反的意思。😂
  • 老攻 2020.03.03 07:30

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    @El costuras Fair point, but if we were to speak about that, I wouldn’t be able to get a visa to the United States, because I simply sell stuff and market stuff. This in spite of the fact that I am white, not because of it.   My brother was able to move to Ohio and work at Cleveland Clinic because he is a qualified doctor. His girlfriend is of Chinese descent and she is also a doctor, but her parents were simple laborers that encouraged her to work hard.   The Chinese can also get visas to other countries quite easily. Ireland has a policy allowing all overseas students to continue working in Ireland for two years after graduating from an Irish university. The Chinese are largely held to the same standard as people from anywhere else.
  • El costuras 2020.03.03 07:30

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    @Sid More importantly, I respect Indians. I keep telling my kids to do well like Indians.
  • Sid 2020.03.03 07:31

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    @El costuras lol that’s because the Indians who have top jobs in American have superior English and are highly qualified. Lol
  • Sid 2020.03.03 07:32

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    @El costuras that’s because in America jobs are based on your skills and not ethnicity
  • 老攻 2020.03.03 07:33

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    @Sid 100% agree, which is the point I made about my brother
  • Sid 2020.03.03 07:34

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    @老攻 which point do you agree with
  • El costuras 2020.03.03 07:35

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    @老攻 We are the same. In fact, China has been working to bring in foreign students. However, China is not attractive to Western students and can only attract some Pakistani and African students, but their habits are not very good. This cannot but arouse strong opposition. As for your example, I don't think it is universal. Some of my friends returned from studying in the United States. Instead of being more open and tolerant, they were more narrow-minded. That's just because they were treated extremely badly in the United States. This is the difference between white and yellow races. We verbally say that equality is difficult in reality.
  • Deleted 2020.03.03 07:37

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    前段时间中国不是有打击外教的政策吗?从广东开始被遣返了很多有案底或学历认证有问题的外教 总之就是不符合标准的
  • El costuras 2020.03.03 07:38

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    @Sid No, that's because Indians are highly organized and they help each other's partners from mainland India. The same is true of Jews. However, the Chinese have abandoned their organization abroad and actively integrated into the local area, but in the end they have become the most discriminated against. This is why some Chinese students have become narrow-minded.
  • El costuras 2020.03.03 07:40

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    @Deleted You can ask Chinese like this. But you should also see that Chinese discrimination is just language dissatisfaction. China does not have right-wing organizations like European countries. They use violence against foreigners. Has the Chinese ever done this? Can't a nation under pressure from society express some dissatisfaction with words?
  • El costuras 2020.03.03 07:42

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    @Deleted You are Chinese. You should know that our country is the safest country for foreigners. Our police are most efficient in handling foreigner cases.
  • northerner 2020.03.03 07:48

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    大家来这里学习语言,为啥有人挑头讨论敏感话题?老话说的好。莫谈国事。我们老百姓过好自己日子得了。有的人就是煽风点火。唯恐天下不乱。
  • 老攻 2020.03.03 07:52

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    @northerner 谈论事情是学习语言的方式。我欢迎不同的意见而且打算今晚回复所有人,但前面的话不算是国事。
  • northerner 2020.03.03 07:53

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    我想举报你!
  • 老攻 2020.03.03 07:54

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    @northerner 举报的理由呢?
  • 老攻 2020.03.03 07:56

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    @northerner 没任何个人攻击,没有谈论国事。我在谈论一些人的思维的缺陷。这有什么毛病呢?
  • northerner 2020.03.03 07:58

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    @老攻 看破不说破。
  • 老攻 2020.03.03 08:05

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    @northerner 那么我欢迎你看动态的内容在再说呗。如果你不能接受跟你不一致的观点,那么你应该设置到不要看我的动态,但我说一下,学习英语的时候就会碰到特别多有不同的概念的人。不能接受的话,我建议你不要学习英文
  • 1tsfreddie 2020.03.03 08:24

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    我觉得大部分说这种言论的人都是年龄不怎么大的人,他们很容易被舆论所领导。这个外国人永居证制度,已经建立实施了十五年多了,一个对它的修改征求意见而已,并没有出台什么新政策。他们的想法还很跳脱,外国人可以申请永居➡️外国人获得永居中国资格➡️外国人通过结婚的方式永居中国➡️➡️外国男性通过与中国女性结婚获得永居➡️➡️➡️非洲男性通过与中国女性结婚永居中国➡️➡️➡️➡️非洲男性“强行”和中国女性结婚永居中国....我不知道他们这些比太平洋还宽的逻辑鸿沟是怎么达成一致的。真的太魔幻了,男孩子在哪瞎紧张就算了,还有好多女孩子的说国家让她们与非洲联姻的话,“着汉服坠高楼,誓死不嫁异国人”...真的让人瞠目结舌。民族主义的同时还种族歧视,大男子主义的同时还抨击女性,打着抵制的旗号出来浑水摸鱼混乱试听,之前大喊的自由平等公正合理随风而去。中国女孩从来都不属于中国男孩,所有女孩都不属于谁,她们都属于自己。
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    @1tsfreddie 👍
  • 玄末 2020.03.03 08:41

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    大部分人都有从众心理,人云亦云,归根结底还是心智不成熟,知识不专业,或是对待问题没有理性思考,还有就是利益的驱使
  • Nancy 2020.03.03 08:49

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    @Jessica 你说的太对了,我去网站投反对的时候就这么写的
  • Oooo0ooOo°O 2020.03.03 09:22

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    I don't think it's because of racism. (Yeah, but we need to recognize that there are few people doing that out of racism.)You know, unlike the other countries, like America, an immigrant country,China has her own tradition and culture. The country's situation is also different from others.Lots a foreigner idles will come to China and enter the college without paying (not only money )as much as the local students while enjoying lots of privileges... What's more, the root reason behind this phenomenon Is people's against issues on capitalist roaders ...Not only because the issue to bring in lots of foreigNers....
  • Cindy 2020.03.03 09:26

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    @ItsChloeX 如果真的通过了,治安会更好还是更不好呢
  • Cindy 2020.03.03 09:31

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    @ 你太善良了
  • MichaelShelly 王 2020.03.03 09:38

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    人们反对永久居住权,并不是因为种族主义的和狭隘的民族主义思想,你要弄清楚究竟是反对什么,中国欢迎各高质量技术人才来中国发展,但中国不像其他国家,中国的人口基数本来就大所以不是谁想来就来的,所以设置门槛是有必要的。还有我关注他大部分反对的外国人在中国享受超国民待遇权,这才是重点。
  • 小菜牛肉面加蛋 2020.03.03 10:10

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    我对于孙杨的个人做法存疑,我个人来讲,有必要暂时把他和爱国主义先切开看。至于这个官员的言论,应该是经过一些不良媒体炒作加工的,从而激发了民族仇恨。所以现在还需要更加理性的解读,民族主义很容易炒作,虽然一定程度说是必要的,但不能走太远。
  • Stephy 2020.03.03 10:45

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    @Sid agree 我有住广州的同学 因为确实有很多素质不高在自己国家混得不好来中国搞破坏的人 所以才提倡提高门槛 提高门槛有什么错呢 当然有些中国人的言论也是表达不清不楚让人误会
  • Oooo0ooOo°O 2020.03.03 11:05

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    @El costuras I agree with you.That's true.Especially lots of Chinese family suffer from one Child policy to control the population.They do that for accommodating more all kindsof foreigners?Even though the root purpose is not this 🙃we can just see what the capitalist wanna us see concerning this issue...
  • 王小哲 2020.03.03 11:41

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    @老攻 你对于我的指责 完全基于你对“洋垃圾”一词的误解,我的立场从来没有歧视所有外国人,如果说不礼貌 你“五毛”一词是否更不礼貌。你这样指责还在这里主持你所谓的正能量 我认为非常的恶心🌝我不需要你的马赛克 我对我说的话负责。
  • Sid 2020.03.03 11:45

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    @王小哲 pigs and Muslims that’s nor racist and discriminatory ? 😂😂 然后你是谁啊?如果中国女肉选择跟外国人谈恋爱就是自己的选择。 是私人问题。
  • 王小哲 2020.03.03 11:46

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    @Sid 我不觉得我是谁,有些人确实在中国干了不好的事,甚至有些拿来炫耀。不要把你的无知当资本😄
  • 王小哲 2020.03.03 11:47

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    @Sid by the way. Pid is not my word. Was said by other people😄thank you
  • Sid 2020.03.03 11:48

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    @Stephy 这个不是表达问题的啦他就是骂外国人的。😂
  • Sid 2020.03.03 11:52

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    @王小哲 那你要把这一些坏人说明。 不要用你片面的话题说明全部外国人。我觉得你就是物质的lol
  • 王小哲 2020.03.03 11:57

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    @Sid 洋垃圾真的指的就是坏人,对于你的误解我很抱歉。但是我不是你所说的人。当然,你可以不信🙈
  • Stephy 2020.03.03 11:57

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    @Sid 我不是针对他说的啦 最近好多好多言论 对了 你搞定假名没有啊
  • Sid 2020.03.03 11:57

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    @王小哲 但是你说的也有道理
  • 王小哲 2020.03.03 12:01

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    @Sid 非常感谢你的理解。祝你学习愉快。我只是不想有人误解我😄
  • Sid 2020.03.03 12:02

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    @Stephy 对我觉得现在在中国提高门槛的是很重要的部分。 这样能吸引一些有人才的老外, 不只是质量低的老外
  • Sid 2020.03.03 12:05

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    I think Chinese universities should set a standard or have a threshold, this way they can attract foreigners or higher quality. The issue in china is they give admission based on the fact that they are foreigners and too much preference is given to 美国和英国的老外
  • jélain 2020.03.03 12:33

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    这次事件我估计有恶意煽动和炒作,现在中国公民舆论的一个很大问题就是:很多发声的人并不理性,很多理性的人并不发声。
  • 麦克斯韦 2020.03.03 12:36

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    If China wants "good foreigners" they should first stop giving preference to white guys. Pick people based on merits, not skin colour or nationality.
  • Sid 2020.03.03 12:37

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    @jélain 我完全同意你的想法。
  • j. 2020.03.03 12:39

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    @王小哲 小哥哥太棒了😂我看有的评论都傻眼了👍也想好好回复他,就是怕英语水平不好添乱👏
  • 老攻 2020.03.03 12:40

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    @麦克斯韦 @Sid 100% agree. Also made this point.
  • 王小哲 2020.03.03 12:41

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    @j. 只要你觉得自己是对的。永远不要让别人误解你,无论生活还是网上。谢谢你的关注和评论 祝你学习愉快

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